Throughout these posts regarding the controversy between Phil Johnson and Mark Driscoll over pulpit language, I have focused our attention on the facts — like officer Friday of the famed Dragnet series. In virtually every program, he was heard to say something like, “The facts ma’am, just the facts.” To formulate valid judgments and opinions we must know what these brothers have actually said in the pulpit and in print about the pulpit. It’s never right to rush to judgment before understanding the facts. My prayer is that these posts have served that cause.Upon request, Phil was kind enough to share with me his private letter to Mark sent approximately three months (December 3, 2008) prior to his polemical sermon, “Sound Doctrine; Sound Words” otherwise known as The Pornification of the Pulpit. Knowing he was going to be addressing the issue of pulpit language, and knowing that he was going to be making some pointed references to Driscoll, Phil wanted to be sure of Mark’s position. After expressing several concerns, Phil asked Mark six pointed questions. According to Mark, however, he never saw Phil’s letter until one week before the Shepherd’s Conference, when he received another copy of it from a mutual pastor friend with whom Phil had shared it. Allegedly, it had been lost in the huge volume of Mars Hill mail.
After reading the letter, Mark asked Phil in a phone conversation if he could respond to his questions by way of video. Phil said that would be fine, and so Mark sent him a DVD. Through Phil’s kindness, I have obtained an exclusive copy of Mark’s nine minute, fifty-one second response. Lord-willing, I will make that video available to you in my next post. It is not inappropriate or unethical for me to share this with you because it was designed by Mark himself for public viewing — even to be shown at the Shepherd’s Conference. That video was never played at the conference. Phil said there was insufficient time one week before the conference to make adjustments to the schedule in order to show the video. The fact is, Phil asked Mark to respond to his letter, but never went so far as to extend an invitation for Mark to address the entire Shepherd’s Conference. In any case, I will post that video soon.
Now, back to the Phil’s letter to Mark. In fairness to Phil, I should observe that his letter was not caustic, sharp or harsh. It was, however, straightforward and pointed, written with both conviction and passion. By way of overview, Phil revealed profound concerns regarding the following six matters:
1. The relationship between Mark’s continued use of “inappropriate language” and his previous words of repentance.
2. Mark being comfortable making jokes from Scripture that evoke imagery of homosexual activity and the excretion of bodily waste.
3. Mark speaking of Christ less reverently than he would presumably want another man to speak about his own wife.
4. Mark justifying the use a certain Scripture as a punch line in a sexually suggestive joke.
5. Mark’s understanding of the third commandment, and how it should or should not govern his speech in the pulpit.
6. Mark’s presumed ability to reconcile crass language about Christ with the concept of the fear of God.
In summary to those questions, Phil writes,
“My criticism of the type of language you employ in these contexts is not merely that it is too lowbrow or too “contextualized,” but that it crosses the line into the realm of blasphemy.”
Anticipating Mark’s yet needed clarification of these issues, Phil writes in the closing paragraphs of his letter,
“Knowing your reputation for candor, I had hoped you would answer questions like those in your message at Desiring God. I expected that you would at least acknowledge specifically what you meant when you said you were sorry for past sins of the tongue. Instead, it seemed you sidestepped your critics’ most serious concerns and dealt with a completely different set of questions.”
Well, as I have already stated, Mark answered Phil’s letter with a brief video. In my next post, I will make it available to my readers.
In the meantime, I want to thank Phil for his kindness in sharing his otherwise private correspondence with Mark. My fear in sharing the above information is that some of my readers will use it to exacerbate the conflict between them. Please do not do that. Such behavior will not honor God. As a means of promoting peace and seeking to honor each of these brothers, I made a commitment to Phil to share the following 5 statements from him as a means of promoting peace and unity, not discord:
From Phil Johnson
1. From my perspective, I’ve been more or less put in an impossible situation by the attitudes of some of the commenters here. My preference from the start would have been to keep all the correspondence between me and Driscoll private. I have no wish to enflame the passions underlying this controversy on either side.
2. Yet false accusations have been made about motives and attitudes on both sides that can be easily answered with the facts. I have no moral duty to keep what I wrote a secret; Mark Driscoll’s reply was sent to me on video with the intention of making a public statement; and John MacArthur has no objection if his letter to Driscoll is made public. So allowing Jonathan Christman to post these things violates no rules of protocol that I am aware of.
3. Still, I did not suggest that Jonathan should post this material, and when he persuaded me that he sincerely wanted to be fair with both sides, I did not try to influence him one way or the other regarding which excerpts to post (or not to post). I left every decision about the matter to him.
4. I am deeply frustrated that so many brethren who generally share the same theological perspective I hold to seem so much more concerned with matters of protocol and politeness than with what the Bible says about the real issue at the heart of this controversy. The answer to the question of whether certain kinds of language and subject matter are appropriate in the pulpit or not does not really require anyone’s analysis of the tone of my correspondence with Mark Driscoll (or his with me). Which is to say I think most of the controversy in this controversy is unnecessary, voyeuristic, and stems from the very attitudes that have given the “New Calvinism” a reputation that frankly is going to be very hard to live down. Controversy over a point of biblical truth can be a good and helpful thing. Bickering over who has been the nicest or most humble never is a healthy or productive pursuit. That style of “debate” nearly turned the entire visible church to Arianism in the fourth century.
5. I’m especially disheartened by those here and in the RBS blog-comments who were insistent on making dogmatic judgments (before reading any of this correspondence) about whether there was any love or grace in my heart or in my private dealings with Mark Driscoll. Even after I pleaded with concerned persons to write me directly if they had questions about my motives, not one of the commenters who published accusations or criticisms of me ever bothered to write me directly—including those who complained I had wronged Mark by not approaching him directly about the issues that disturbed me.
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I am deeply frustrated that so many brethren who generally share the same theological perspective I hold to seem so much more concerned with matters of protocol and politeness than with what the Bible says about the real issue at the heart of this controversy.
I think Phil may be referring in part to comments I made in the other thread. If so, I'd like to clarify that I am mostly certainly not bickering about matters of "protocol and politeness." My concern is what the Bible teaches about the right method of calling someone to repentance. I am concerned about what Phil's very public actions reflect about his theology of sin, repentance, and sanctification.
My firm conviction remains the same--if Phil's motive was drawing Mark to genuine repentance, he did not employ Biblical methods characterized by the objective, Biblical description of love. And because he did this publicly and defends himself publicly, he encourages others to employ similar methods. This will not purify the church--this will destroy the church.
If anyone really wants to help Mark or anyone else see a need for changing the tone of their sermons, I encourage them to seriously examine Scripture on what techniques God teaches are effective for drawing someone to repentance. 2 Tim. 2:24-25 is a good starting place.
Arturo,
In publicly confronting Phil for the way he publicly confronted MD, did you follow the method that you are encouraging Phil to follow? If not, aren't you guilty of the very thing you accuse Phil of doing?
The reality is that public sin demands public confrontation (see 1 Tim. 5:20). Phil did nothing wrong in publicly calling MD to uphold the biblical standard in Titus 2:6-8.
A college student who is attending MarsHill Seattle (Ballard) was over here last night and we were discussing Phil Johnson's 3/6/09 talk and followup interview on 3/28/09. My young friend asked me what is blasphemy? How do you define it? I gave him a reasonably good answer but told him to read D.Bock's monograph Blasphemy & Exaltation In Judaism.
I did some work on this question today and perhaps will post something about it on my Alternate-Readings blog in next day or two after I get some answers back from two experts on the Pentateuch and the LXX.
RIght now, a good working definition is found in U.Cassuto's commentary on Exodus, see Ex. 21:17 and 22:27 (pages 271, 293). In comment on Ex. 22:27 MT (English 22:28) Cassuto states "this admonition includes every utterance or act which detracts from the divine glory...".
In Ex. 22:27 the LXX renders the piel form tqll as kakologhseis were as Symaccus renders it atimaseis. Cassuto appears to be reading tqll as the antonym of kbd, which would be like the opposition between atimaw and timaw in Koine. But it isn't really a simple question, so I am going to wait and see what my linguist friends who do this for a living have to say about it.
By the way, I have been listening to Driscoll on and off since the early 90s. IMHO, this problem is not getting better, it is getting worse. My thanks to Phil Johnson for once again taking a stand on this issue.
I'm curious if it would be possible to post the whole letter that Mr. Johnson wrote to Pastor Driscoll since we will hear all of Pastor Driscoll's response when the video is posted?
Thank you
I Tim. 5:20 isn't teaching that anyone can rebuke any elder. This is to a specific church with a specific authority structure. If MD's elders find him in sin and he refuses to repent, then certainly they should rebuke him before the church. That is a key part of church discipline. But it is not appropriate for any elder in any denomination to suddenly decide they are an elder authority in his life. As I've tried to emphasize before, Biblical confrontation assumes an existing relationship.
I don't have a relationship with PJ and my goal is not his repentance. I trust that his authority structure will call him to repent if they see fit. If not, I trust the Holy Spirit to purify His church, and I will look toward influencing toward righteousness in my God-given realm of influence. My goal in pointing out the unbiblical nature of what has transpired is that more bloggers would not pick this up as appropriate behavior in the church. There is a principle here that transcends individual personalities. This isn't about Mark or Phil. This is about how we confront sin in the 21st century church. If we trust mass media over relationship, the church will be eaten alive by its own.
Note from Phil Johnson:
"I don't have a relationship with MD and my goal is not his repentance. I trust that his authority structure will call him to repent if they see fit. If not, I trust the Holy Spirit to purify His church, and I will look toward influencing toward righteousness in my God-given realm of influence. My goal in pointing out how his speech violates the biblical standards of holiness, dignity, and reverence for the Lord's Name is that more young pastors would not pick this up as appropriate behavior in the church. There is a principle here that transcends individual personalities. This isn't about Mark or Phil. This is about how we honor Christ with our lips in the 21st century church. If we ignore texts like Ephesians 5:4 and Titus 2:7-8, the church will simply melt into the world.
Phil, your responses make me think you are convicted. I will pray for this to reconcile with grace, mutual love, and humility.
Arturo: Your responses make me think you are hardened to conviction and blind to parody.
If we ignore texts like Ephesians 5:4 and Titus 2:7-8, the church will simply melt into the world.
I agree with your burden that the church not melt into the world. But Jesus has set a different criterion for distinguishing His followers from the world.
John 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
I am not blind to your parody. I am ignoring it because I believe it is unhelpful to the conversation.
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